He was associated with some sort of movement on the Aryan side and our contact with him had been good all along. Those policemen were holding onto the machine and onto Abrasza and Berek while I was smaller so I was moving around, when I saw that this guy was there and he was in charge. I went to him and said, ‘These are your subordinates, tell them to let us go immediately – you know what we’ve got here’. He says, ‘I don’t know anything. Everyone’s going to die, you’re going to die, too. I’m not going to intervene for anyone because everyone’s equal in the face of death.’ So that’s what he had to say but we didn’t give in, I’m not going to say how it was and how it happened that we got away from them taking everything with us. That guy, after the war, that swine became a journalist for “Robotnik” under his own name. I was raging mad. I went to Micner and said to him, ‘Who have you got here, this bastard?’ So then he stopped writing immediately. Since he was a solicitor, and this was a moral slur, there was a court case. He turned up and his defence lawyer was Maślanko. Maślanko was a lawyer with the secret police who in theory defended the AK fighters condemned to death, yet he was a secret policeman himself. That’s what people said. I don’t know if he was or if he wasn’t. And he was his solicitor. I was the only witness because Abrasza was dead, Berek was dead. He was sitting opposite me and I said this and this happened, do you deny it? Szuldenfraj who was presiding over the court, Szuldenfraj was a mighty person in the solicitor’s chambers, I think he was the most senior lawyer in the whole of Kraków where the Austrians consider themselves tops when it comes to the law. He was presiding over the court. He asked me so I said what I had to say briefly, I couldn’t look at him, he turned my stomach, and then I went out. The case continued until it came to announcing the verdict. There is only one verdict in the solicitor’s chambers, it can’t be contested. But he didn’t turn up for the verdict and put an announcement in the press, in “Głos Ludu”, I think, that he didn’t acknowledge this court, that it was biased. I don’t know how it happened, he was a defence lawyer later and took vast sums of money, then he wrote in “Przekrój” and other newspapers and then he was a witness at the trial of Bleszer.