INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI: Should Hawaiʻi Increase Regulations on Vaping? | Program
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INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI: Should Hawaiʻi Increase Regulations on Vaping? | Program


STATE LAWMAKERS SEE
ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES AS THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH
ESPECIALLY AMONG YOUTH AND YOUNG ADULTS.
THEY WANT TO INCLUDE ESMOKING DEVICES IN THE DEFINITION OF
TOBACCO PRODUCTS, BAN THE SALE OF FLAVORED PRODUCTS
INCLUDING MINT AND MENTHOL. AND USE MONEY FROM FEE AND
TAX HIKES FOR EDUCATION AND PREVENTION.
SHOULD HAWAIʻI INCREASE REGULATIONS ON VAPING? TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI START NOW. [INTRO MUSIC] ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS
ON PBS HAWAIʻI…I’M DARYL HUFF.
FIVE MONTHS AGO ON THIS PROGRAM WE ASKED WHAT ROLE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD PLAY IN REGULATING VAPING DEVICES OR
E-CIGARETTES. THAT WAS JUST AS HEALTH
OFFICIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE INVESTIGATING DOZENS OF
ILLNESSES LINKED TO VAPING. AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO AT LEAST
60 PEOPLE IN 27 STATES HAVE DIED AND NEARLY 2700
NATIONWIDE HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED DUE TO
VAPING-RELATED LUNG INJURIES.
ON JANUARY 2ND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED IT WOULD
ENFORCE TOUGHER RULES ON VAPING PRODUCTS.
BUT HAWAIʻI IS FOLLOWING OTHER STATES IN CONSIDERING
EVEN STRONGER LAWS TO STOP WHAT HEALTH OFFICIALS
DESCRIBE AS AN EPIDEMIC AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.
OUR GUESTS TONIGHT INCLUDE A STATE SENATOR, A PEDIATRICIAN
AND A SCHOOL TEACHER WITH KNOWLEDGE OF VAPING ON
CAMPUS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF
THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAIʻI FACEBOOK
PAGE. NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.
SENATOR ROSALYN BAKER FROM MAUI CHAIRS THE COMMERCE,
CONSUMER PROTECTION AND HEALTH COMMITTEE. SHE HAS
SPONSORED AT LEAST TWO BILLS PROPOSING STRICT NEW
REGULATIONS ON VAPING. DR. BRYAN MIH IS A
PEDIATRICIAN IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AND DIRECTOR OF THE
SMOKE FREE FAMILIES PROGRAM AT KAPIOLANI MEDICAL CENTER.
HE IS ALSO AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF PEDIATRICS AT
THE UH MEDICAL SCHOOL AND HAS BEEN AWARDED FOR HIS EFFORTS
AT TOBACCO PREVENTION AND CONTROL.
STEVE BORTLE IS A TEACHER AT CAMPBELL HIGH IN EWA BEACH,
OAHU WHO HAS FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH TEENAGE
VAPING ON CAMPUS AS WELL AS AT HOME.
WE REACHED OUT TO THE VAPING INDUSTRY AND TOBACCO
LOBBYISTS BUT NO ONE WAS WILLING OR AVAILABLE TO
APPEAR ON TONIGHT’S PROGRAM. A VAPING STORE OWNER DID
APPEAR IN OUR PREVIOUS PROGRAM AND WE HAVE CLIPS FROM
THAT SHOW IN AN EFFORT TO BALANCE TONIGHT’S
CONVERSATION. A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THAT
SHOW. ACTUALLY.
>>THINK ABOUT THIS WEEK. ALMOST ALL OF THE INJURIES,
DEATHS, OCCURRED AFTER OCTOBER.
OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. LATE IN THE YEAR.
HAS IT AFFECTED KIDS? ARE THEY GETTING THE MESSAGE
OUT THERE FROM WHAT YOU CAN SEE AS A TEACHER?
>>HARD TO TOTALLY TELL. THERE IS TIMES, LEAVING
CAMPUS, IF I’M DRIVING HOME, HAWAIʻI SEE KIDS OFF CAMPUS
VAPING. AS LONG AS LIKE ELEMENTARY OR
MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS. FROM MY PARTICULAR CLASS, WE
GO OFF CAMPUS QUITE OFTEN, ABOUT TWICE A WEEK.
AND SO WE’LL SEE OTHER COMMUNITY PARK RIGHT ACROSS
THE STREET FROM CAMPBELL HIGH SCHOOL.
A LOT OF KIDS HANG OUT. HARD TO TELL IF THEY’RE FORMER
STUDENTS OR SKIPPING CLASS OR THEY’RE AT THAT AGE.
THERE’S A LOT OF VAPING GOING ON.
IT’S KIND OF HARD TO TOTALLY TELL IF IT DIED DOWN.
HATE TO SAY, BUT I WOULD SAY NO.
INTERESTING BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WHEN YOUR GUYS SHOW WAS,
ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT I CAUGHT MY DAUGHTER FOR THE
THIRD TIME AT THE HOUSE WITH BUYING PRODUCT, VAPING
PRODUCT IN THE HOUSE. SO I STARTED DOING MY
RESEARCH. WHEN I STARTED PAYING
ATTENTION. GETTING MORE INVOLVED
ANTI-VAPING, CAMPAIGN, ON TO THE SCHOOL.
JUST DOING THE RESEARCH. SEEING THE NEWS COME OUT, CNN
OR THE OTHER DIFFERENT BROADCASTING CHANNELS, HOW
MUCH MORE WAS BEING REPORTED, HOW MANY DEATHS OCCURRED.
WENT FROM INITIALLY, LIKE TEN OR FIVE OR SOMETHING, LOW
NUMBERS, AND JUST EVERY WEEK, IT WAS JUST,.
>>Daryl: HOW DID THAT EFFECT YOUR DAUGHTER?
DID SHE GET SCARED WHEN SHE SAW THAT?
>>MORE WORRIED. INTERESTING.
SHE WAS MORE WORRIED WHAT THEY CALL A VAPE-PLOSION.
WHERE THE BATTERY PACK OR ACTUAL CANISTER, LITHIUM
BATTERY I GUESS MALFUNCTIONS AND CATCHES FIRE IN PEOPLE’S
POCKETS. THAT WAS HER WORRIED ABOUT
THAT, HAVING SOME KIND OF LUNG ILLNESS.
>>Daryl: DOCTOR, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN IN TERMS OF PEOPLE
APPEARING WITH — ARE PEOPLE STILL BEING INJURED BY THESE
PRODUCTS FROM WHAT YOU CAN TELL?
>>YOU WANT TO SEPARATE THE TWO THINGS.
IT’S THAT THE LUNG INJURY CASES THAT WE WERE SEEING A
LOT OF. LATTER PART OF LAST YEAR.
DID INCREASE A BUNCH. AND THEN CDC WAS ABLE TO
IDENTIFY ONE OF THE SUBSTANCES AS THE CULPRIT.
E-CIGS INDUSTRIES, GREAT, THAT’S OUR CULPRIT.
THE REST OF PRODUCT IS FINE. WE KNOW FROM VARIOUS RESEARCH
STUDIES THAT’S COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO THE E-CIGS OR THE
NICOTINE LIQUID ARE NOT SAFE IN THEMSELVES.
NICOTINE IS HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. THE PROPYLENE GLYCOL, MOST
COMMON SOLVENT IS AIRWAY IRRITANT.
FLAVORING AGENT, NOT NATURAL FLAVORING.
NOT A SQUEEZE OF LIME IN THERE.
TAKING CHEMICALS MIXING THEM UP AND TURNING THEM INTO
ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS AND THOSE, WHEN USED IN CONJUNCTION CAN
CAN TURN INTO IRRITANTS.>>Daryl: DO YOU FIND THERE’S
MORE CONCERN AMONG PATIENTS AND AMONG THEIR FAMILIES
ABOUT THIS? CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING.
WEREN’T HAPPENING BEFORE?>>DEFINITE INCREASE IN THE
INTEREST IN TALKING ABOUT IT. FROM THE PARENTS, FROM THE
SCHOOLS, AND FROM MY COLLEAGUES IN THE HEALTH CARE
FIELD AS WELL. SO THE AWARENESS HAS GONE UP.
BUT THERE’S STILL A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT WE NEED TO DO
TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, HELP THE GENERAL
PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE HEALTH HAZARDS.
>>Daryl: IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE?
HOW DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT CHANGE NOW AT THE LEGISLATURE
IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU’RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH COMES TO THESE
KIND OF REGULATIONS?>>I THINK THE SPOTLIGHT IS
BEING SHINED ON SOME. ISSUES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
IDENTIFIED. HEALTH RISKS, FACT THAT YOU
CAN, PUTING THINGS INTO YOUR LUNGS THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS
BEING THERE. NONE OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE FDA
APPROVED OR CONSIDERED TO BE SAFE AND HEALTHFUL.
I’M HOPING THAT WE’LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE
ISSUES BY RAISING THE PRICE OF THEM, TAXING THEM BETTER,
MAKING SURE THAT EDUCATION CONTINUES.
AND MAYBE WE REQUIRE WARNING LABELS AMONG OTHER THINGS.
>>Daryl: ARE THEY INCREASING TAXES ON VAPING AND VAPING
PRODUCTS TO DETER VAPING? HOW ARE THEY TAXED NOW?
HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO SAY CIGARETTES?
IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT TAXATION?
>>THEY’RE NOT AS HIGH AS CIGARETTES.
>>Daryl: STILL?>>YES.
>>Daryl: HOW MUCH MORE, DO YOU SEE THAT BEING SOMETHING?
>>I THINK PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE
THAT YOUNG PEOPLE DON’T GO TO A VAPING PRODUCT, YOU’VE GOT
TO RAISE THE PRICE. VAPING PRODUCT.
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE VERY PRICE SENSITIVE.
I THINK THAT’S ONE. THINGS THAT WE’LL WANT TO DO.
I HAVE A BILL IN THAT WE’RE GOING TO BE HEARING ON
FEBRUARY 5, A NUMBER OF ANTI-VAPING MEASURES THAT
WILL REALLY LOOK AT IF WE PUT IT IN TOBACCO SECTION OF THE
HAWAIʻI REVISED STATUTES, YOU’LL GET A LOT MORE
REGULATION INCREASED PRICE, AS WELL AS HAVING TO HAVE
PERMITS TO SELL, REGISTERING FOLKS WHERE THEY ARE SELLING,
AND IT WILL HELP US WITH ENFORCEMENT.
>>Daryl: STEVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY KIDS ACCESS THESE
PRODUCTS, DO YOU THINK PRICE IS GOING TO MAKE A BIG
DIFFERENCE TO THEM?>>DEPENDS I GUESS HOW MUCH
PRICE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. IF IT GOES FROM LIKE TWENTY
DOLLARS, BOTTLE, TO FORTY DOLLARS FOR THE BOTTLE,
DOUBLES THE COST.>>Daryl: DO ME A FAVOR.
I REALLY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THIS.
NEVER VAPID MY KIDS, I DON’T THINK THEY DID.
HOW DOES IT WORK? HEARD OF THE JUUL THING. YOU
HAVE TO BUY A PRODUCT. IT’S IN A BOTTLE?
CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW IT WORKS?>>JUULING, I HAVEN’T NOTICED
PARTICULARLY POPULAR IN HAWAIʻI.
MORE OF THE LIKE JUUL YOU HAVE THE DEVICE, ALMOST LOOKS LIKE
A USB THUMB DRIVE OR FLASH DRIVE.
NONREFILLABLE E-CIG JUICE OR VAPING JUICE.
THAT GOES INTO IT. CONNECTS INTO IT.
>>Daryl: LIKE A CARTRIDGE.>>YES.
A CARTRIDGE. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BAN
COMING ON THAT FOR FLAVORED. WHAT I’VE SEEN KIDS USEENING
HAWAIʻI, THAT IT’S NOT PRODUCT THEY’RE BEING USED.
IT’S MORE LIKE, LOOKS LIKE A BIGGER DEVICE, ALMOST LOOKS
LIKE A CELLPHONE RECHARGEABLE BATTERY HAS A MOUTHPIECE ON
IT. YOU BUY THIS OTHER, LOOK LIKE
A BIG GIGANTIC EYE DROPLET, DROP IT IN THE DEVICE, CLOSE
IT UP, INHALE ON THE MOUTHPIECE.
>>Daryl: SO IF THE PRICE IS, IS IT LIKE PRINTER WHERE YOU
BUY THE PRINTER CHEAP AND THEN THE INK COSTS A LOT?
>>REALLY GOOD ANALOGY. FOR JUUL DEVICE, ACTUAL
DEVICE, PODS CONTAIN THE NICOTINE E LIQUID IN THERE.
YOU CAN BUY THAT OR MIX YOUR OWN.
A LOT OF VARIETY TO IT. WHAT YOU’RE DOING IS
PURCHASING THE DEVICE. CAN GET DIFFERENT FLAVORS IN
THE DIFFERENT PODS. AND THEY’LL COST A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF THE THINK WE LOOKED UP THIS MORNING, YOU COULD GET
A PACK OF FOUR OF THOSE FOR ABOUT $16.
SO YOU KNOW, WE KNOW –>>Daryl: HOW MUCH IS THAT?
HOW LONG DOES THAT LAST?>>DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY YOU
GO THROUGH IT. SOME OF THESE KIDS CAN
ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A POD PRETTY QUICKLY.
EACH ONE OF THOSE PODS CAN BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE TO TWO
PACKS WORTH OF CIGARETTES. 20 TO 40.
>>Daryl: TALKING ABOUT FOUR PODS FOR 16 BUCKS.
WHEN EQUIVALENT OF AMOUNT OF CIGARETTES WOULD COST YOU A
MINT. RIGHT?
WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, JUST RESPECT THIS VIEWER’S
QUESTION. WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
DEVICES ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, HOW IS IT
THAT YOU CAN WRITE LEGISLATION THAT IS GOING TO
WORK? ARE THERE FORMULAS AND THINGS
THAT YOU CAN KNOW, IF YOU PUT THIS DOLLAR FIGURE ON THIS
AMOUNT, OR THIS DOLLAR FIGURE ON THIS AMOUNT, YOU’RE GOING
TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT FORMULA?
TRICK TO THAT?>>I DON’T KNOW WHETHER
THERE’S A TRICK TO IT BUT I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT
OTHER STATES HAVE DONE. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT OUR CIGARETTE
LAWS AND IF I CAN OUT HOW WE’RE GOING TO — FIGURE OUT HOW
WE’RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN, PUT THE PODS OR E LIQUIDS IN
THAT. THAT’S WHAT THE MOST
DAMAGING. THAT IS WHAT GOES INTO YOUR
LUNGS. THAT’S WHAT CAUSES THE
IRRITATION.>>Daryl: I HEARD WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT RAISING TAXES ON SOMETHING, ONE. THINGS THAT
I ALWAYS HEARD LOBBYISTS SAY THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY, FOR
EXAMPLE, THEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS ADDICTED TO THE MONEY.
DO YOU DIRECT THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM THAT TO BACK INTO
THE PROBLEM?>>DEPENDS ON HOW WE WRITE THE
LEGISLATION. PROPOSALS THAT I’VE SEEN
WOULD HAVE IT GOING TO EDUCATION, WOULD HAVE IT
GOING TO SOME OTHER KINDS OF ENFORCEMENT, SO THAT IT’S NOT
JUST SOURCE OF REVENUE. I THINK THAT’S THE THING THAT
PEOPLE MISS. THE REASON THAT YOU RAISE THE
PRICE OF SOMETHING, PARTICULARLY IF YOU’RE TRYING
TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM IT, SO BECAUSE IT’S A DETERRENT TO
THEM BUYING IT. THE MORE EXPENSIVE THE MORE
TAXES ON IT, THEN IT’S GOING TO MAKE IT LESS ATTRACTIVE FOR
YOUNG PEOPLE TO PURCHASE.>>Daryl: TALK MORE ABOUT THE
YOUTH VAPING EPIDEMIC. WE HAVE SOME GRAPHICS.
FROM 2017 STUDY. I THINK REALLY OPENED A LOT
PEOPLE’S EYES. PRETTY SHOCKING.
HAWAIʻI HAD THE LARGEST PROPORTION OF OUR STUDENT
POPULATION VAPING. THE NUMBER WAS 42% OF HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENTS HAD TRIED IT. 27% OF MIDDLE SCHOOL
STUDENTS. TALKING ABOUT KIDS 11, 12, 13
YEARS OLD. THEN BY COUNTY, ALSO
INTERESTING, QUITE A LOT OF VARIATION FROM COUNTY TO
COUNTY. THIS COULD BE BECAUSE OF THE
SAMPLE OF PEOPLE. BUT HAWAIʻI COUNTY WAS 50%.
KAUAI COUNTY 42. HONOLULU WAS 39.
STATE AVERAGE 42. WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN THAT WORKS
WITH KIDS? IS THERE A MESSAGE THAT WORKS
THAT YOU FOUND? JUST GOT TO INDIVIDUALLY
FIGURE OUT?>>DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY’RE
GETTING CAUGHT AT. WHAT THE SCHOOL, THEY KNOW
THERE HAS BEEN SUCH A LARGER PROBLEM.
A LOT TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY.
NUMBER ONE THING. TALKING WITH DIFFERENT
PEOPLE, PRINCIPALS, VICE PRINCIPAL, DIFFERENT ADMIN,
TEACHERS WHAT, WORKS BEST IS TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY,
TALKING WITH THE PARENTS. A LOT OF TIMES, PARENTS THINK
THAT IT’S BETTER THAN CIGARETTES BECAUSE THAT’S
WHAT IT WAS ADVERTISED. YOU WOULD VAPE TO GET OFF OF
SMOKING.>>Daryl: BE RELIEVED IF THEY
SEE THEIR KIDS VAPING BECAUSE THEY FIGURE, HE WOULD BE
SMOKING.>>YEAH.
IT’S BETTER. GOING IN WITH THAT TOO.
SAYING THE REASON WHY KIDS ARE VAPING RATHER THAN SMOKING,
SMOKING IS DROPPING, VAPE SOMETHING INCREASING, YOU CAN
VAPE AND GET AWAY WITH IT. WITH JUST IF YOU WERE LIVING
A NONSMOKING HOUSE, IF YOU GO AND SMOKE CIGARETTE, COME IN,
GET CAUGHT BECAUSE OF THE SMELL.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN AT? BEEN WITH YOUR FRIEND SMOKE?
NO, I DON’T SMOKE. VAPING, ALL OF THESE
DIFFERENT FLAVORS. DIFFERENT SMELLS.
THE KIDS CAN JUST BLOW IT OFF. MY DAUGHTER WAS BLOWING IT
OFF. THAT’S MY PERFUME.
I DON’T THINK THAT’S PERFUME.>>Daryl: WHAT WAS IN IT?
WHAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY–I DON’T WANT TO —
>>COTTON CANDY FLAVORED. I COULD SMELL IT.
SHE HAD SPILLED IT OR SOMETHING IN HER ROOM.
IT WAS SUCH A STRONG SMELL, I COULD SMELL IT.
FIND IT IN HER ROOM BY THE STENCH.
>>Daryl: FUN FOR HER? SHE WASN’T TAKING NICOTINE?
>>REPORTED HERSELF LIKE ON ACCIDENT KIND OF LIKE SPILLED
THE BEANS. TO SAY, LIKE, IT’S NOT
NICOTINE. IT’S JUST FOR FUN.
BECAUSE THAT’S ANOTHER THING TOO.
I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW. THING LIKE THEY HAVE CONTESTS
HOW BIG OF A CLOUD THEY CAN MAKE.
HOW FAR THEY CAN BLOW THIS CLOUD.
GOES BEYOND JUST THE ENJOYMENT WHAT SOMEONE WOULD
BE SMOKING CIGARETTE. IDEA OF, CIGAR BLOW THESE
RINGS. CAN I MAKE A PIRATE SHIP OUT
OF THE IT? BLOW IT THROUGH THE RING.
CRAZY DIFFERENT THINGS.>>THERE’S NICOTINE IN EVERY
ONE OF OUR E LIQUIDS. IT’S VERY ADDICTIVE.
THE KIDS DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT.
>>THERE’S THE NICOTINE SALT. TWO TYPES.
BASE AND THEN THE PREBASE, THEN THE SALT.
SALT IS LIKE ABOUT THREE TIMES THE POTENCY.
THAT’S WHAT I CAUGHT MY DAUGHTER USING.
SHE ADMITTED THAT SHE WAS ADDICTED.
TURNED OUT SHE WANTED TO COOL. DIFFERENT SCHOOL.
TRANSFERRED INTO OUR SCHOOL. WANTED TO BE COOL.
HANG OUT. I’M GOING TO LOOK LIKE YOU
GUYS. FIT IN.
I NEED MORE FRIENDS. TURNED FROM THAT INTO HAVING
ANXIETY ABOUT JUST HIGH SCHOOL LIFE.
EVERY DAY LIFE IN HIGH SCHOOL. HORMONES AND EVERYTHING ELSE
CHANGING. FELT THE NEED TO, CALMS ME
DOWN.>>Daryl: WHAT DOES NICOTINE
ADDICTION LOOK LIKE IN THESE KIDS?
>>TALK ABOUT THE FLAVORS, WE FOUND THAT ABOUT 2/3 OF YOUNG
PEOPLE ACTUALLY START JUST BECAUSE OF THE FLAVOR WITHOUT
REALIZING THAT THERE’S NICOTINE IN THE E-CIGARETTES.
ONCE YOU START BECAUSE OF THE FLAVOR, YOU CONTINUE BECAUSE
YOU BECOME ADDICTED TO THE NICOTINE.
NICOTINE SALT, BEST WAY THAT I LIKE TO EXPLAIN IT IS THEY
TAKE NICOTINE BASE, WHICH IS NICOTINE THAT YOU FIND IN
CIGARETTES, SOME OF THE OLDER E-CIGS.
AND WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN YOU VAPE THAT, YOU KIND OF HAVE
THROAT BURNING. IRRITATION.
BUT WHAT JUUL DISCOVERED, YOU COULD TAKE THE NICOTINE BASE,
ADD SULFURIC OR BENZOLE ACID TO NEUTRALIZE IT.
YOU DIDN’T GET THE IRRITATION.
CAN TAKE A MUCH DEEPER INHALATION.
THAT PLUS THE PLEASANT FLAVORS, YOU ARE INHALING
DEEPLY AND GETTING MORE NICOTINE IN EACH INHALATION.
>>Daryl: WHEN YOU HEAR THIS, I KNOW YOU’VE HEARD IT BEFORE,
DOES THIS REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN HEALTH CHAIR LONG ENOUGH
TO REMEMBER THE WHOLE TOBACCO PROCESS HAWAIʻI WENT THROUGH
TO CUT BACK ON TOBACCO. WHOLE ISSUE OF MARKETING TO
CHILDREN. SO ON.
BLATANT TOBACCO INDUSTRY.>>BIG TOBACCO OWNS MOST OF
THE VAPE COMPANIES. ULTRIA, YOU’RE NOT GETTING
OUT OF THE BUSINESS. THEY’VE JUST HOOKED ON TO
ANOTHER WAY TO HOOK MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, ADDICT THEM TO
NICOTINE.>>Daryl: SO WHEN YOU START
REGULATING THIS, THE ARGUMENT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A
PIECE OF TAPE FROM THE GENTLEMAN ON THE SHOW BACK IN
AUGUST, TALKING ABOUT MARKETING TO KIDS.
I’M GOING TO SET IT UP LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS AUGUST. BEFORE THE INJURIES AND
DEATHS HAD OCCURRED. BUT THE QUESTION THEN WAS,
VERY MUCH, ARE YOU GOING AFTER CHILDREN?
NOW, I’M GOING TO REMIND OUR VIEWERS, MENTIONED TOP OF
THIS PROGRAM, NO ONE WE APPROACHED IN THE VAPING
INDUSTRY ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION TO BE HERE IN THE
SHOW LAST SUMMER, VAPE SHOP CAME IN AND HAD THIS TO SAY
ABOUT HOW THEY MARKETED THEIR PRODUCTS.
>>NOBODY MADE THIS THINKING, GET THE KIDDIES STARTED.
I MEAN, IT’S A COOL DESIGN. BEING OPEN AND LOOKING AT
SOMETHING, THAT’S COOL. LAMBORGHINI, THAT’S COOL.
NOT MARKETED TOWARDS KIDS. MARKETED ADULT SMOKERS.
IF A KID THINKS SOMETHING IS COOL.
THE VAPE INDUSTRY ISN’T TARGETING CHILDREN.
THERE ARE MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF SMOKERS THAT WANT TO STOP.
THAT ARE OF AGE. AND THAT IS WHO WE TARGET.
WE LOSE CUSTOMERSEVERY MONTH BECAUSE THEY STARTED WITH 3,
OR 55 FOR THE POD OR SOMETHING, THEN THEY WENT
DOWN A 35. THEN JUMPED BACK DOWN INTO A
THE MORE CLOUD, THOSE ONES, GO TO A ZERO.
THEN THEY STOP. THE BUSINESS MODEL DOESN’T
MAKE SENSE. WE DON’T MIND LOSING
CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THERE’S SO MANY MORE SMOKERS TO TAKE
THEIR PLACE. TO SAY THAT THE VAPE INDUSTRY
IS MAKE DEVICES SO KIDS CAN GET AWAY IT WITH IT IS ABSURD.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. THAT’S CRAZY.
ADULTS STILL ENJOY VISUAL. HE THIS ENJOY CANDY.
SKITTLES. THEY ENJOY ALL OF THESE
THINGS. IF KIDS DO TOO, WE’VE GOT TO
WORK ON GETTING THEM OUT OF THE KIDS HANDS.
>>Daryl: STEVE, YOU HAD THE STRONGEST REACTION TO THAT.
I COULD HEAR THE EYES ROLLING AROUND THE TABLE.
WHAT WAS YOUR THINKING WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT HE WAS SAYING?
>>WELL, THE FACT THAT THEY’RE NOT CREATING THINGS FOR KIDS
TO GET AWAY WITH VAPING. WHEN THERE’S LIKE STUFF LIKE
VAPE WEAR LIKE A HOODY, WHERE THEY YOU HAVE THE DRAW CORDS,
ONE DRAW CORD, ON THIS SIDE GOES INTO A LITTLE POCKET.
THAT, DIFFERENT OTHER KINDS, LOOK LIKE A PEN.
CALL IT A PEN VAPE. SO IT ATTACHES TO A HOSE.
ON ONE SIDE. GOES AROUND.
TO THE OTHER SIDE. DRAW STRING.
BRING IT UP, MOUTHPIECE FOR THE DEVICE.
THE KID INHALES IT. BUTTON OR SOMETHING.
OR BUTTON ON THE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A DRAW CORD.
INHALES IT. THEY’RE VAPING WHAT LOOKS
LIKE A HOODY. WHEN YOU’RE LOOK AT SOMEONE,
JUST LOOKS LIKE, THEY’RE JUST FIDGETING.
CHEWING ON END OF THEIR DRAW STRING.
ACTUALLY VAPING. THERE’S VIDEOS TOO BY
GENTLEMEN LIKE THIS ONE ON YOUTUBE.
HUNDREDS OF THEM OF LIKE DIFFERENT ONES THAT THEY
ARGUE ABOUT, HE’S ARGUING, THEY HAVE VIDEOS OF LIKE HOW
TO GET AWAY WITH VAPING.>>81% OF YOUTH WHO EVER USED
TOBACCO PRODUCT STARTED WITH A FLAVORED PRODUCT.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE VAPE INDUSTRY IS PUTING SO MUCH
INTO FLAVORS? THEY’RE NOT GOING AFTER THE
ADULT MARKET. THEY ARE TRYING TO HOOK KIDS.
THEY’RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF IT.
>>Daryl: FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I’LL CALL IT AN EFFORT FOR
LACK A BETTER WORD, IS TO, MOSTLY GO AFTER THE FLAVORED
PRODUCTS. DO YOU THINK THAT’S ENOUGH?
>>NO. I THINK WE NEED TO BAN THE
FLAVORED PRODUCTS. ABSOLUTELY.
THEN I THINK WE NEED TO RAISE THE PRICE ON ALL OF THEM.
>>Daryl: YOU MADE AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THEY
MAY BE TRYING TO BAN THE FLAVORED PRODUCTS BUT THEN
SOME OF THE FLAVORS ARE STILL GOING THROUGH.
JUST AS INSIDIOUS, RIGHT. GIANT LOOPHOLE IN THE FDA
PROPOSAL TO BAN THE FLAVORED JUST THE PODS, BUT YOU CAN
STILL GET THE REFILLABLE TANK TYPES SYSTEMS, AND WE ALL
KNOW, YOU CAN GO ON TO YOUTUBE, FIND WAYS TO MODIFY
WHATEVER DEVICE YOU HAVE. AND THEN GET AROUND THE
TEMPORARILY OR PARTIAL BAN THAT THEY’RE PROPOSING.
THE BAN ALSO SHOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE MINT AND MENTHOL,
CIGARETTE AND E-CIG INDUSTRY WANT TO EXCLUDE BECAUSE THEY
KNOW THAT THOSE, THEY’RE FLAVORS BUT ALSO SPECIAL IN A
WAY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT CIGARETTES, THERE’S MENTHOL
CIGARETTE IT’S AND THAT MENTHOL COMPONENT HELPS TAKE
AWAY SOME OF THAT THROAT BURN AS WELL.
IT’S BEEN MARKETED INSIDIOUSLY TO SOME OF OUR
MORE UNDERPRIVILEGED POPULATION.
ON THE ONE HAND, VAPING INDUSTRY WILL SAY, YES, THIS
IS MEANT TO BE A CESSATION DEVICE ONLY FOR ADULTS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN REAL LIFE IS INTRODUCED IT ON THE
MARKET WITHOUT ANY OF THAT AS THEIR GOAL.
IF THEY TRULY WANTED TO INTRODUCE A CESSATION DEVICE,
YOU WOULDN’T NEED THE FLAVOR. PLENTY OF PEOPLE ADDICTED TO
NICOTINE. SWITCH OVER TO NO FLAVOR
THING. NO BIG DEAL.
YOU DON’T NEED GUMMY BEAR. YOU DON’T NEED ICE CREAM CAKE.
YOU DON’T NEED MANGO FLAVORING.
THAT’S LIKE PUTING A CAKE ON THE TABLE AND TELLING YOUR
KIDS, DON’T EAT THIS CAKE.>>Daryl: GOOD QUESTION FROM A
VIEWER. I WASN’T AWARE THAT ALL OF
THESE PRODUCTS HAD NICOTINE.>>YES.
>>Daryl: SO THE QUESTION COMES, DOES THE PANEL THINK
THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE HARM FROM NICOTINE?
DO THEY EVEN KNOW? SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON’T KNOW
THERE’S NICOTINE IN THE PRODUCTS THEY’RE BREATHING.
>>NO. GO AHEAD.
>>LIKE MY DAUGHTER, HER WORRY WAS MORE THE VAPE EXPLOSION
HER DEVICE IS GOING TO BLOW UP AND GIVE HER THIRD DEGREE
BURNS RATHER THAN MY NICOTINE IS GOING TO IMPEDE MY
DEVELOPMENT. KIDS DON’T UNDERSTAND WHERE
THAT’S THE PROBLEM. THINKING, I TALKED WITH A GUY
WHO SMOKES AND VAPES. HE SAID THAT NICOTINE IS NOT
A PROBLEM. IT’S TOMATOES.
IT’S IN OTHER DIFFERENT NIGHT SHADE PLANTS.
DIFFERENT THINGS. PART OF, NATURAL.
BUT CHILDREN, MAYBE ADULTS, CHOOSE SO.
CAN MAKE IT THEIR OWN EDUCATED DECISION.
BUT AS A CHILD, USING IT, THERE’S DEFINITELY
PEDIATRICIAN CAN SPEAK WELL BETTER THAN I CAN FOR IT.
FROM WHATEVER IT IS, IMPEDES LIKE DEVELOPMENT.
>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE DANGER? I MEAN, GOT TO BE BETTER THAN
SMOKING A CIGARETTE, RIGHT? JUST THROWING THAT OUT.
I KNOW THAT’S –>>IT’S DIFFERENT.
I LIKE TO SAY YOU PICK YOUR HAZARDS.
THERE’S THE OLD CIGARETTE THAT YOU SMOKE.
HEALTH HAZARDS FROM THOSE. WITH THE VAPING DEVICES, WE
DON’T KNOW ALL THE HAZARDS YET.
BUT THE EVIDENCE KEEPS BUILDING UP.
EVIDENCE OF LONG INJURIES. FOLKS HAVING SEIZURES.
AND ALSO, THE ADDICTION FROM THE NICOTINE AT MUCH, MUCH
HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS THAN YOU CAN GET FROM REGULAR
CIGARETTES. HEARD CASES FROM PEOPLE SO
ADDICTED TO VAPING, THAT THEY’RE USING REGULAR
CIGARETTES TO GET BACK DOWN OFF OF IT.
ISSUE WITH THE IMPACT OF NICOTINE ON THE DEVELOPING
BRAIN IS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE KNOW THAT’S BRAIN IS STILL DEVELOPING UP UNTIL ABOUT THE
MID 20’S. ISSUES ARE THAT NICOTINE
AFFECTS THE PARTS OF THE BRAIN THAT DEAL WITH IMPULSE
CONTROL. IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU’RE
A TEENAGER, HOW MANY STUPID THINGS DID YOU DO?
THOSE ARE ALL FROM NOT HAVING FULLY DEVELOPED IMPULSE
CONTROL. BUT WE ALSO FOUND IF YOU USE
NICOTINE FOR LONGTERM, IT PERMANENTLY IMPACTS THAT
IMPULSE CONTROL. AFFECTS MOOD AND BEHAVIOR.
PEOPLE SO ADDICTED TO IT, ALSO AFFECTS ARE THEY FEELING
ANXIOUS OR DEPRESSED AS WELL. INTO THINKING THEY’RE GETTING
MORE NICOTINE IN THEIR BODIES OR THEIR BRAINS NOW THAN THEY
WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE WERE SMOKING CIGARETTES?
>>EITHER WAY, IT’S A HARM. THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE
TO NOT HAVE THOSE AROUND. AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD
TREAT THIS LIKE A TOBACCO PRODUCT.
IT WALKS LIKE TOBACCO. QUACKS LIKE TOBACCO.
SMOKES SIMILAR TO TOBACCO. THE NICOTINE WE’RE GETTING IS
BASICALLY FROM TOBACCO AS WELL.
>>Daryl: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE ALONG THIS LINE.
ONE IS, IS THERE HARD DATA SHOWING IF ADOLESCENT VAPING
DOES OR DOES NOT REDUCE TOBACCO USE LATER IN LIFE?
FLIP SIDE, CALLER THINKS THAT TAXES SHOULD NOT BE INCREASED
ON VAPING IF IT TRULY A WAY TO HELP ADULTS GET OFF SMOKING.
DOCTOR, I KEEP COMING TO YOU ON THESE SCIENTIFIC THINGS.
THIS CLAIM EFFECTIVE SMOKING CESSATION DEVICE, IS THAT
TRUE?>>COMPLETELY FALSE.
WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO START VAPING, THEY ARE
FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY TO START REGULAR CIGARETTE
SMOKING SOMETIME LATER ON IN THEIR LIFE.
WE’VE ALSO SEEN THERE’S A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WHERE
THEY FOUND THAT YES, MAYBE YOU CAN GET ONE ADULT TO QUIT
SMOKING. FOR THAT ONE ADULT, 81 YOUNG
PEOPLE WILL PICK UP VAPING AND BE ADDICTED TO NICOTINE.
RATIO IS ONE TO 81. WHAT THE E-CIG INDUSTRY SAYS
IS TRUE, YOU COULD USE THIS TO QUIT, OKAY, THIS IS A PRODUCT
THAT AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN GET THEM TO QUIT.
THAT’S ONE ADULT. BUT 81 YOUNG PEOPLE WILL PICK
UP THE HABIT. THIS IS NOT A GOOD CESSATION
PRODUCT BECAUSE IT’S JUST SOLD IN THE STORE.
ARE YOU GOING TO THROUGH A TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
TO TAPER YOUR DOSE DOWN CAREFULLY?
BEING SUPERVISED FOR SIDE EFFECTS?
THE ANSWER IS NO. HOW MUCH TRAINING DOES THAT
PERSON HAVE THAT IS GIVING YOU YOUR NICOTINE?
DO THEY KNOW HOW TO ADJUST IT? IF WE’RE TRULY TALKING ABOUT
CESSATION, NEEDS TO BE DONE CAREFULLY, SUPERVISED IN THE
CORRECT WAY.>>Daryl: QUESTION HERE.
MIGHT BE GOING OFF TOPIC. IF REGULATIONS AGAINST
SMOKING ON CAMPUS, WHY DO THESE REGULATION NOT APPLY TO
VAPING?>>YOU CANNOT VAPE ON CAMPUS.
>>Daryl: WHAT HAPPENS AN YOUR CAMPUS NOW IF SOMEONE IS
CAUGHT IT VAPING.>>SECURITY, DEPENDING ON
CATCHES THEM. SECURITY WILL TAKE THEM INTO
THE ADMIN. VICE PRINCIPAL.
THEY HOLD EITHER THE EQUIPMENT, POD, WHATEVER THE
DEVICE, AND THEN LIQUID. WHATEVER IS CAUGHT.
HELD AT THE SCHOOL. THERE’S THE DEBATE ON THAT.
DIFFERENT SCHOOLS HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES.
AS FAR AS CAMPBELL GOES, THEY CALL THE PARENT AND GIVE THEM
SO MANY DAYS. COME AND PICK UP THE DEVICE.
WHICH SOME OF US, TEACHERS FEEL THAT THAT IS MAYBE
SHOULDN’T BE THE CORRECT WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
BUT THEN THERE’S CONCERN.>>Daryl: DEVICE GOES BACK
INTO THE HOUSEHOLD.>>CORRECT.
PARENTS, ARGUE SAYING, THEY STOLE MY DEVICE.
ME BEING PARENT AND TEACHER, I SAY, WELL, YOU SHOULD BE
FINED BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T LOCK UP YOUR DEVICE OR DIDN’T HAVE
IT ON YOURSELF AND ALLOWED YOUR CHILD TO, UNDER AGE, TO
HAVE ACCESS TO POISON.>>Daryl: YOU FEEL LIKE, EVEN
THOUGH THERE’S POLICIES OUT THERE, IT COULD BE TOUGHER.
IT COULD BE MORE DIRECTED AT THE WHOLE FAMILY.
>>TOTALLY. FINES, I DON’T THINK THERE’S
SUBSTANTIAL AT ALL FOR A STUDENT, SOMEONE UNDER 21,
THAT GETS BUSTED. $250 IF THAT MAYBE.
OR STUFF IS JUST TAKEN. LIKE A POLICE OFFICER SEES A
CHILD, THINK HE’LL JUST TAKE IT.
>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE LAW NOW ON YOUTH VAPING?
WHAT ARE THE CONTROLS?>>WELL, YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE
21. BEFORE YOU CAN PURCHASE
LEGALLY PURCHASE, AND BEFORE YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO USE VAPES
OR CIGARETTES.>>Daryl: THAT WAS PASSED LAST
YEAR? ING THAT’S THE MOST RECENT.
WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF THE EFFORTS YOU WERE
MAKING? YOU WERE ON THIS LAST YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LEGISLATION?
>>WELL, WE DIDN’T PASS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN
PASS. SO WE’RE GOING TO BE LOOKING
AT THOSE MEASURES AGAIN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
VAPING IS PART OF THE TOBACCO PRODUCTS STATUTE.
THAT BRINGS REGISTRATION, ADDITIONAL FINE.
>>REGISTRATION OF WHO?>>SALESPEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO SELL CIGARETTES.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT IN ORDER TO VAPE.
IT WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRICE WOULD INCREASE.
SO I THINK THERE IS SOME — ACTING LIKE A
CIGARETTE. EVEN THOUGH IT’S NOT PER SE.
BUT BECAUSE IT’S ACTING THAT WAY AND IT’S ADDICTING
PEOPLE, AND NICOTINE IS THE ROOT OF IT, THEN IT BELONGS IN
THE TOBACCO PRODUCTS STATUTE. ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT
COME WITH IT.>>Daryl: IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT NOT ALL LAWMAKERS HAVE QUITE GOTTEN TO YET.
>>IN TERMS OF EDUCATING THEMSELVES ON — YOU’VE BEEN
IMMERSED IN THIS FOR YEARS. HOW CLOSE DO YOU THINK IS THE
REST OF THE LEGISLATURE TO DOING THIS AND RECOGNIZING
THAT THIS IS A NICOTINE, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT?
>>DELIVERY SYSTEM.>>Daryl: RIGHT.
IS EVERYBODY KIND OF ON BOARD WITH THAT?
STILL PEOPLE THAT SAY, NAH, STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS
IS AVAILABLE TO SMOKERS?>>I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE MORE
AND MORE ARE GETTING ON BOARD WITH IT.
PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE
UNDER THE AGE OF 21. SO I THINK, AS WITH EVERYTHING
ELSE, YOU ALWAYS CONTINUE TO THE EDUCATION PROCESS.
BUT I THINK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
REALLY IS HARMFUL AND THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE DON’T GET. IS YOU’RE PUTING THINGS INTO
YOUR LUNGS THAT IF YOU ATE THEM, WOULD BE PERFECTLY
FINE. BUT THEY’RE DESTROYING THEIR
LUNGS.>>Daryl: STEVE, YOU COULD TRY
THIS TOO. WHERE DO YOU THINK THE KIDS
ARE GETTING MOST OF THIS STUFF?
OFF THE INTERNET FOR THE MOST PART ALSO, RIGHT?
>>YOU CAN. YOU CAN GO TO — JUST GO ON TO
GOOGLE. PUT VAPE.
OR E-CIGS. GET ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ADS
ON LINE.>>Daryl: FUNNY.
>>JUST LIE AND SAY, I’M 21. GO TO A SUPERMARKET.
GET A VISA GIFT CARD. PAY CASH.
THEN CAN YOU JUST BUY IT. MOST KIDS ARE GOING TO GET
HOME BEFORE THEIR PARENTS. PARENTS WORK TILL 4:00 TO
5:00, KIDS GET OUT AT 1:00 TO 2:00.
GET HOME. CHECK THEIR MAIL.
GET THEIR PRODUCT. OR EVEN CAN FROM WHAT I’VE
BEEN TOLD, GO TO A KIOSK IN THE MALL.
THAT’S WHAT IS WITH GOING TO ASK THE SENATOR.
IS THAT ON THE BILL TO REMOVE THAT?
YOU DON’T SEE CIGARETTES SOLD IN THE MIDDLE OF A MALL.
WHY DO WE HAVE E-CIGS BEING SOLD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
MALL?>>Daryl: KIOSKS?
>>I AGREE. YEAH.
KAAHUMANU CENTER, YES. YES, THEY’VE BEEN THERE.
PEARLRIDGE MALL. A COUPLE.
>>KAMAKANA ALI’I.>>NO.
IT’S PEOPLE.>>THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO CHECK
TO SEE IF IT YOU’RE 21.>>Daryl: I GOT YOU.
>>KIOSK.>>Daryl: I THOUGHT OF VENDING
MACHINE.>>NO.
IT’S NOT IN THE STORE.>>Daryl: INTERESTING, THIS
QUESTION FROM A VIEWER, IF WE MAKE VAPING PRODUCTS TOO IS
EXPENSIVE OR EVEN ILLEGAL, IS THERE A RISK OF BLACK MARKET
EMERGES WITH THE INTERNET, WHAT IS THE BLACK MARKET ANY
MORE? IT’S THE INTERNET.
RIGHT?>>WELL, TOBACCO, IF YOU GO ON
LINE, TRY TO HAVE IT SENT IN TO HAWAIʻI, THE MESSAGE POPS
UP THAT IT’S NOT LEGAL TO DO THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FOR VAPE PRODUCTS AS WELL.
IT MAY NOT STOP EVERYTHING. BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE A
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE I THINK.
>>Daryl: YOUR LEGISLATION, ALSO WANT TO BAN THE FLAVORS
TOO, RIGHT?>>YES.
>>INCLUDING MENTHOL.>>YES.
>>Daryl: THAT WAS A QUESTION.>>MENTHOL IS THE KEY FLAVOR
TO HELP PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO VAPE, GET USED TO THE DRAW,
AND IT WAS REALLY CLEAR, WHEN BIG TOBACCO COULDN’T GET IN TO
SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES, WHEN THEY PUT MENTHOL IN AND GAVE
IT TO THEM, PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO DRAW AND THEY GOT ADDICTED.
>>Daryl: DOCTOR, QUESTION HERE.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL DANGERS ASSOCIATED WITH
CANNABIS AND VAPING? ALSO, STEVE MAYBE YOU COULD
WEIGH IN. DO YOU FEEL LIKE A LOT OF KIDS
ARE USING THIS TO ACCESS THC?>>WELL, SINCE WE HAVE SEEN
THAT THEY CAN MODIFY THE DEVICES, YES, A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE USING IT FOR THC AS WELL.>>Daryl: HOW EASY IS IT DO
THAT?>>SAME AS ANYTHING ELSE.
LOOK IT UP ON LINE OR FIND THE FRIEND AND THERE ARE WHAT THEY
CALL QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REPUTABLE DEALERS AND QUOTE,
UNQUOTE, UNREPUTABLE DEALERS.
BASICALLY, THIS IS AN UNREGULATED INDUSTRY.
YOU CAN GET YOUR THC AND YOU CAN FIND WAYS TO VAPE IT AS
WELL. THIS IS PROBLEM AS WELL.
JUST THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ALTERNATE WHETHER IT’S T HC OR
NICOTINE. DOESN’T REALLY MATTER A A LOT
OF PEOPLE ARE DUAL USERS. FOUND VAST MAJORITY ACTUALLY
ARE. IF YOU’RE USING IT.
HC, PROBABLY ALSO USING NICOTINE.
THINK ABOUT THE COMPONENTS AS WELL.
PROPYLENE GLYCOL, FLAVORS AGENTS, STILL DANGEROUS TO
YOU. MAY FIND CONTAMINANTS IN SOME
OF THE UNREGULATED, CHEAPER THC OILS CAN YOU GET.
THAT WAS THE REASON ALSO FOR THE LONG INJURY WAS THE THC
OIL WAS BEING DILUTED TO THE VITAMIN E ACETATE.
SO THAT’S JUST KIND OF A THICK LIQUID AGENT SIMILAR TO THE
THC OIL.>>Daryl: YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, CDC OR THE INDUSTRY, HEALTH INDUSTRY, DISCOVERED
THIS COMBINATION, LEADING TO THE MOST SEVERE INJURIES.
AND THE DEATHS. THC AND THAT VITAMIN E.
WAS THAT THE COMPONENT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT?
>>CORRECT.>>Daryl: NOW THEY’VE
IDENTIFIED THAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK GOING TO HAPPEN?
>>E-CIGS INDUSTRY SAYS, GREAT.
WE’VE IDENTIFIED THE CULPRIT. IT’S NOT US.
IT’S THE THC CONTAINING I’M AND MIXTURE VITAMIN E
ACETATE. COME BACK AND USE OUR PRODUCT.
WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTSES OF THAT PRODUCT?
FLICK TINA ADDICTIVE — NICOTINE
ADDICTIVE. AIRWAYS IRRITANT.
VOLATILE COMPOUND. STUFF YOU HAD FIND IN PAINT.
IRRITANT. HEAVY METALS.
THESE ARE ALL BAD THINGS. NOT MEANT TO BE INHALED INTO
THE LUNGS. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GO BACK
AND THINK ABOUT WHY ARE WE CALLING IT VAPING?
WHAT’S WHAT THE INDUSTRY WANTED US TO CALL IT.
ASSOCIATE VAPING WITH WATER VAPOR.
INITIALLY CALLED THESE THINGS E-CIGS OR ELECTRONIC NICOTINE
DELIVERY SYSTEMS. INCESSANT MARKETING, GOT
EVERYONE TO CALL IT VAPING. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE CALLING IT
NOW. BUT WE HAVE GO BACK AND
REMEMBER, THIS IS AIRSOLYZED CHEMICAL.
>>Daryl: VERNACULAR WE USE IN THE MEDIA IS VAPING, I DIDN’T
REALIZE THERE WAS AN INSIDIOUS MOTIVE BEHIND EVEN
THAT WORD. STEVE, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THIS
AT SCHOOLS, WITH THE KIDS, ARE A LOT OF KIDS GETTING HIGH IN
SCHOOL FROM THC IN THE VAPE? DO YOU KNOW?
>>PERCENTAGE WISE, YEAH. I DON’T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE KIDS, WHO ARE USING IT,
EXPERIMENTING WITH THAT. OUTSIDE SCHOOL OR INSIDE
SCHOOL. THERE ARE THEN HEALTH ISSUES
THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED. TALKED WITH OTHER ADMIN
ABOUT. THAT HASN’T, I DON’T THINK HIT
NEWS BECAUSE EITHER THE PARENTS HAVEN’T REPORTED IT.
KPT REPORT SOMEONE’S MEDICAL PROBLEMS.
CAN’T REPORT SOMEONE’S MEDICAL PROBLEMS.
BROADCAST, UNLESS IT’S CONSENTED.
AGAIN TOO, LOOKING AT, ALMOST FEEDS INTO THE KIDS, TO USE
THE REGULAR NICOTINE BECAUSE THEN IT’S BEING REPORTED ON
THE NEWS SAYING THC, CBD IS THE CULPRIT.
SO IT’S SAFE. SAW ALL THE DEATHS BEING
REPORTED. THEN THEY’RE LIKE, OH,
VITAMIN E. CBD.
I’M NOT USING THAT. I’M JUST USING NICOTINE SO I’M
SAFE. THAT’S MENTALITY.
THEY’RE ADDICTED. ENJOY IT.
AND SO THEY’RE TRICKING THEMSELVES WITH OLD MARKETING
SCHEME OF IT SAYING IT’S VAPING.
IT’S NOT WATER VAPOR. SIGNIFICANT WANT TO DO WITH
SOME OF THE MEDIA KIDS ON CAMPUS.
LITTLE PBAS PRODUCE, ARE WE FISH FOR ONE.
ARE WE BREATHING WATER? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE GO IN
AND BREATHE WATER? THEN.
>>Daryl: DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT.
>>SHOW THING LIKE VEGETABLE OIL.
WE DON’T INHALE OIL. CAN’T POSSIBLY BREATHE THIS
EITHER. NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
BREATHE WATER. CAN’T BREATHE OIL.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT? EXTRA ADDITIVES.
>>Daryl: GET KIDS TO THINK THAT FAR DOWN THE LINE.
GOING TO BE FURTHER AHEAD THAN MOST TEACHERS.
SENATOR BAKER, YOU’RE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE MEDICAL
CANNABIS SIDE OF THE EQUATION HERE.
A LOT OF, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AGAIN, I’M NOT AN EXPERT ON
THIS. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO NEED
CANNABIS OR THC FOR THEIR MEDICAL CONDITIONS, LIKE THE
IDEA OF VAPING. MAYBE I’LL FIND ANOTHER WORD
FOR THAT. I DON’T KNOW IF I CAN.
FINDING WAY TO AEROSOLIZE IT THROUGH THESE DEVICES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT,.>>MEDICAL CANNABIS DOESN’T
HAVE THAT MUCH THC IN IT. THAT’S NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT.
IT’S A DIFFERENT–ACTUALLY DIFFERENT PLANT.
>>Daryl: OKAY. IF YOU HEAVILY REGULATE THIS
INDUSTRY, ARE WE GOING TO BE HARMING THE PEOPLE WHO
ACTUALLY FEEL THEY NEED THC FOR THEIR MEDICAL CONDITIONS?
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE THOSE KIND OF DEVICES?
OR IS IT JUST NOT THE SAME THING?
>>NOT THE SAME THING. WE HAVE DISPENSARY, LICENSED
DISPENSARIES SO WE KNOW HOW THE CANNABIS IS GROWN.
WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. WHAT THE PRODUCTS ARE THAT ARE
AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. AND IT’S HIGHLY REGULATE.
VAPING IS NOT THAT REGULATED AT THE MOMENT.
THAT’S ONE OF THE AREAS WE NEED TO PUT SIGNIFICANT
REGULATIONS ON.>>Daryl: DOCTOR IF I COULD
BECOME TO YOU MORE ABOUT THE INJURIES YOU’RE SEEING.
AS STEVE WAS SAYING, YOU HAD DEATHS.
YOU HAD SEVERE ACUTE LUNG ILLNESSES THAT WERE CAUSED BY
THIS. GOT A LOT OF COVERAGE.
THAT IS DIED DOWN ALMOST AS QUICKLY AS FEELS LIKE FIRED
UP. WHOLE THING HAPPENED IN TWO
MONTHS, THEN DONE. WHAT OTHER HEALTH EFFECTS DO
YOU SEE FROM VAPING THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS PUBLICIZED OR
SCARY AS STEVE IS SAYING?>>FIRST OF ALL, WE’RE NOT
DONE BECAUSE THE CDC IS STILL REPORTING NEW CASES.
THEY GIVE US UPDATE EVERY WEEK.
SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, 2700
PEOPLE HOSPITALIZED AND 60 PEOPLE DIED FROM JUST THE LUNG
INJURY ASSOCIATED WITH VAPING.
BUT OTHER HEALTH EFFECTS, WE’RE GOING TO FIND THESE OUT
OVER TIME. IT’S SIMILAR TO WHEN PEOPLE
STARTED SMOKING. TOOK YEARS TO FIGURE OUT THE
HEALTH EFFECTS FROM THAT. BUT WE SHOULD KIND OF LEARN
FROM WHAT WE’VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
WE ALREADY KNOW, BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN RESEARCH DONE ON
IT, THAT IT AFFECTS THE VIABILITY OF OUR BLOOD
VESSELS. SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE
DIFFICULTY WITH EXCHANGING OXYGEN IN THE LUNGS.
WE CAN HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE BRAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT
ALREADY. BECAUSE IT AFFECTS DEVELOPING
BRAIN. THERE IS REPORTS OF PEOPLE WHO
SUFFERED FROM SEIZURES BECAUSE OF THE NICOTINE
POISONING IN THERE. NICOTINE WILL RAISE YOUR
HEART RATE. BLOOD PRESSURE.
IT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE I THINK ABOUT DOUBLE YOUR RISK
OF HEART ATTACK. YOU CAN GET DIFFERENT
GASTROINTESTINAL EFFECTS AS WELL.
SO YOU GET STOMACH ACHE. NAUSEA, VOMITING.
BOTH SHORT TERM AND LONGTERM PROBLEMS.
ONE OF THE MOST RECENT RESEARCHED THINGS THAT I SAW,
PAPER, HAD LOOKED AT, WHETHER IT INCREASES YOUR CHANCE OF
CANCER. IT WAS LOOKING AT BLADDER
CELLS. HEART CELLS.
AND ANSWER WAS YES. IN THIS MODEL THEY LOOKED
LIKE.>>Daryl: HOW DID WE GET HERE?
YOU DEAL ALL THE TIME WITH LOBBYISTS FOR BIG TOBACCO.
AND FOR PRODUCTS THAT MIGHT BE ONLY FOR-ADULT PRODUCTS.
BUT IT FEELS LIKE THIS CAME OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
PEOPLE, REGULATORY SYSTEM WASN’T READY FOR T WHAT DO YOU
THINK HAPPENED? WHY DID WE NOT CATCH THIS BALL
WHEN IT WAS THROWN AT US?>>WELL, I’M NOT SURE THAT WE
DIDN’T CATCH IT, BUT CALL IT WHAT IT IS.
IT’S SMOKING WITH AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE.
I THINK HAD WE SORT OF HAD THAT TRANSLATION EARLY ON, WE
COULD HAVE JUST ROLLED IT IN TO THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY
ON THE BOOKS. NOW, WE’RE PROBABLY LOOKING
AT SPECIALIZING LAWS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ITEMS ARE
COVERED. BUT YEAH, IT’S ELECTRONIC
SMOKING. WE SHOULD CALL IT THAT.
I THINK THAT IS THE ANSWER RATHER THAN CALLING IT
VAPING. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SOUND SO
HORRIBLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT’S JUST
WATER VAPOR. AND IT’S NOT.
I THINK THAT IS WHERE OUR KIDS ARE REALLY MISSING THE BOAT.
THEY THINK IT’S BENIGN. AND IT’S NOT.
IT’S NOT BENIGN AT ALL. IT CAN KILL YOU.
>>Daryl: TERMINOLOGY OF ELECTRONIC SMOKE.
DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GET THE IDEA BETTER IN KIDS’
HEADS?>>THINK THEY’RE GOING TO CALL
IT WHAT THEY CALL IT. JUST LIKE GENERATION HAS IT.
>>Daryl: DOCTOR SAYING, ALL OF THE MEDIA NOISE IS AROUND
VAPING. FROM WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE
SAYING. MISAPPLIED TERM.
TERM THAT IS MEANT TO BRAND THIS BEHAVIOR AS SOMETHING
THAT IS IT IS NOT. IF ADULT STARTED CALLING IT
ELECTRONIC SMOKING, SO ON, I GUESS MY BROADER QUESTION IS,
WHAT DO YOU THINK WORKS? TO GET KID IS NOT TO USE THIS
STUFF OR GIVE IT UP?>>AGAIN, I THINK IT’S LIKE
MORE COMMUNITY BASED, PARENT BASED, PARENT ASKS GET ON
BOARD. COMMUNITY GETS ON BOARD.
I THINK YOU’LL SEE A LOT OF USERS MAY BE DRAWN.
ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYONE HAS TO BE ON BOARD.
GET RID OF IT. LIKE AT THE MALLS.
SEE IT LESS. AVAILABILITY.
IT’S NOT REGULATED SO MUCH THERE.
IF A PERSON GETS BUSTED SELLING TO SOMEONE UNDER 21,
THEY DON’T LOSE THEIR LICENSE.
IT’S NOT LIKE ALCOHOL WHERE THE SHOP IS CLOSED.
THEY’RE OUT OF BUSINESS. THEY GOT TO MOVE SOMEWHERE
ELSE. RENAME THEIR COMPANY.
>>Daryl: THAT’S THE POWER OF PERMITTING.
RIGHT.>>THEN ADVERTISING,
MARKETING. COULDN’T PUT, WE DON’T HAVE
BILLBOARDS IN HAWAIʻI. BUT I REMEMBER BIG CRACK DOWN
WAS ON JUST ADVERTISING. IS THAT PART OF YOUR GUYS’
SCHEME.>>YES.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE.>>Daryl: LIKE THIS VISIBILITY
IN THE MALL, WOULD GO AWAY THEORETICALLY?
THAT’S A LOT OF DRAMATIC STUFF.
HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT WE CAN TURN THE CORNER ON THIS?
>>WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM OUR LESSONS FROM FIGHTING BIG
TOBACCO, AND THE E-CIGS COMPANIES ARE TAKING ALL OF
THEIR, PLAYBOOK FROM BIG TOBACCO BACK IN THE PAST AND
THEY’VE ACTUALLY MADE IT EVEN MORE SOPHISTICATED.
EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE NOW BECAUSE OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND
THE WAY THAT THEY’RE ABLE TO QUICKLY GET INFLUENCERS AND
VARIOUS OTHER PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU
SHOULD BE USING. SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW
DID WE ADDRESS THINGS WITH BIG TOBACCO.
SO EDUCATION. PREVENTION.
APPROPRIATE LICENSING AND TAXATION.
AND TREAT IT THE SAME WAY. BECAUSE NICOTINE IS SO
ADDICTIVE. IT’S UNLIKE ANY OTHER
PRODUCT. SO YOU START TO USE THIS
PRODUCT. AND YOU MAY BE STUCK ON IT FOR
LIFE. WITH ADDICTION THAT YOU DO NOT
WANT. THE STORIES OF YOUNG PEOPLE
WHO ARE SO ADDICTED THAT THEY CANNOT THINK ABOUT ANYTHING
ELSE. RIGHT?
THEIR GRADES SUFFER. THEY’RE NOT ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS OR MUSIC OR THINGS THAT WOULD
CARRY THEM INTO GREATER THINGS.
LATER ON IN LIFE. THIS IS REALLY NEGATIVE
IMPACTING THEM. I THINK AS A PEDIATRICIAN, I
FEEL THE URGENCY BECAUSE EACH YEAR, THAT WE WAIT, WE SEE THE
NUMBERS GO UP AND UP AND UP. SO I WANT TO SEE THAT THOSE
NUMBERS START GO BACK DOWN AGAIN.
IF WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER YEAR,
THAT’S ANOTHER GRADUATING CLASS FROM HIGH SCHOOL THAT
HAVE AT LEAST USE THE E-CIGS AT LEAST ONCE.
>>Daryl: I READ INTERESTING POINT IN SOME OF THE ARTICLES
I WAS LOOKING AT PRIOR TO THE SHOW, KNEW WE WEREN’T GOING TO
HAVE ANYONE FROM THE INDUSTRY ON THE SHOW.
DON’T MEAN TO BE DEFENDING THE INDUSTRY ON THE SHOW.
ONE OF THE POINTS, SORT OF GRASSROOTS SMALL BUSINESS
ENTREPRENEURS, THEY CAME UP WITH THIS, THIS THING, AND
THEY WERE ALL STRONG, SMALL, INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES.
AND NOW, THAT THE BIG REGULATIONS COME IN, NOW,
PLAYING RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF BIG TOBACCO BECAUSE THEY
KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE REGULATORY GAME.
AND HOW TO DO THE MARKETING. BIG TOBACCO IS GOING TO WIN
FROM ALL OF THIS AND LITTLE VAPE GUYS ARE GOING TO GO THE
WAY OF THE DINOSAURS.>>BIG TOBACCO OWNS MOST OF
THE VAPE COMPANIES NOW.>>Daryl: AT THIS POINT, THEY
OWN THE BIG ONES?>>ULTRI IS ONE OF THE BIGGER
PLAYERS.>>Daryl: WHAT DID THE LOBBIES
TELL YOU WHEN YOU COME IN WITH THIS?
WHAT DO THEY SAY?>>THEY DON’T COME TO SEE ME.
>>Daryl: WHAT DO THEY SAY TO OTHER PEOPLE?
>>I DON’T KNOW.>>I WAS HAVING THAT THOUGHT.
SOMEONE SAYING, YOU’RE ANTI-CAPITALIST.
SAYING YOU GOT TO — KILL THE FLAVORS.
BAN THE FLAVORS. THINK OF OTHER PRODUCTS LIKE
WE USED TO HAVE, LEAD IN OUR PAINT.
THERE WAS BANS ON TOYS COMING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
IMPORTING THEM BECAUSE IT HAD LEAD IN PAINT.
THE WORRY WAS KID IS GOING TO PUT THE TOY IN HIS MOUTH.
GET LEAD POISONING. BAN ON IT THAT.
REGULATE IT SOMEHOW. BANNED USE OF ASBESTOS.
SO THERE IS PRODUCTS THAT WE’VE HAD THAT WE THEN
DETERMINE THERE WAS IN USE FOR LONGTERM, AND THEN ALL OF A
SUDDEN, WOW, CAUSES IT CANCER.
CAUSES LUNG CANCER. IT’S CAUSING BRAIN DAMAGE.
THEY PULLED THOSE ITEMS FROM THE SHELF.
LIKE ANY ITEM WE HAVE, IF THERE’S A RECALL, I MEAN, HOW
MANY TIMES, CAR, GET THEIR VEHICLE
RECALLED, GET THEIR AIRBAG CHECKED.
>>Daryl: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE CLEARLY WANT TO
SEE SOME SORT OF EDUCATION FOR KIDS ASKING WHAT APPROACH
WORKS. ONE PERSON, WE SHOULD ALSO
TELL CHILDREN THAT IF THEY ARE TOLD TO DO SOMETHING CONTRARY
TO THEIR PARENTS ADVICE, IT USUALLY IS TO MAKE SOMEBODY
MONEY. KIDS DON’T LIKE GREED.
THEY DON’T LIKE BIG YOU KNOW, COMPANIES TAKING THEIR MONEY.
THEY DON’T TRUST BIG CORPORATIONS.
THAT MIGHT BE ONE CONCEPT. THEY’RE TRYING TO MAKE YOU
SICK AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU.
>>THERE ARE WAYS TO SHINE LIGHT ON HOW THIS INDUSTRY IS
RUN. THE TRUTH INITIATIVE IS ONE OF
THOSE. RUN BY YOUNG PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE VERY PROVOCATIVE BUT HONEST LOOK AT THE
INDUSTRY TYPE.>>Daryl: ARE THEY INTO THE
ELECTRONIC SMOKING THING YET? THEY CAME MOSTLY OUT OF
TOBACCO.>>YES.
THEY STARTED TO HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
LOCALLY, HAWAIʻI PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE HELPS SET UP
808 NO VAPE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF GREAT
INFORMATION ON THERE AS WELL.>>THERE’S A GROUP CALLED FROM
SAME OR SO, TOBACCO-FREE KIDS.
SAME ORGANIZATION. MOVING INTO MAKING SURE THAT
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND PEERS UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS WITH
VAPING.>>Daryl: DO YOU SEE KIDS IN
SCHOOL LOBBYING THEIR FRIENDS?
ARE THERE ADVOCATES FOR GOOD HEALTH IN SCHOOL?
I DON’T KNOW THAT I’VE EVER HEARD OF THIS?
, KIND OF UNPOPULAR APPROACH. YOU FIGURE, YES, FOR ME, I’M
44, GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL IN ’94.
IT WAS LIKE THE THOUGHT OKAY, SOMEONE IS SMOKING, YOU’RE
LIKE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE NAUGHTY KIDS MORE SO, NOT
LIKE, GOING WITH THAT, RIGHT NOW, SAYING LIKE, VAPING,
ELECTRONIC SMOKING, IT HITS KIDS AT EVERY ANGLE.
A STUDENTS, B STUDENTS, ATHLETES.
KIDS, ALL VARIATIONS. THERE ISN’T ANY
DISCRIMINATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE USING IT.
SO IT HITS ALL REALMS OF THE STUDENT POPULATION.
IT’S NOT TO SAY LIKE, THOSE ARE THE ONES.
THEY’RE OVER THERE. THEY’RE HANGING OUT BY THE
BAND ROOM. OR HANGING OUT BY THE TRACK.
THERE ISN’T THAT CERTAIN GROUP OF KIDS THAT ARE THE
NAUGHTY KIDS THAT ARE DOING IT.
INFILTRATED ALL KIDS. IT’S A TOUGH SELL FOR KIDS.
THAT WAS,.>>Daryl: THE QUESTION THAT I
GOT FROM A VIEWER, ARE THERE ANY PEER BASED PROGRAMS STATE
TO STOP VAPING? WE TALKED ABOUT TOBACCO FREE
KIDS. SOME.
TRYING TO START ONE AT CAMPBELL.
ROUGH START. IT’S CALLED SAVE HAWAIʻI.
STUDENTS AGAINST VAPING E-CIGS.
WE JUST HAD LOGO CONTEST THIS PAST, RIGHT BEFORE, OR IN
DECEMBER. JUST AWARDED THE WINNER FOR
THAT. I DON’T HAVE ANY GRAPHICS.
I’M SORRY.>>Daryl: THAT’S OKAY.
WE’VE ONLY GOT A FEW MORE SECONDS LEFT.
REALLY QUICKLY. HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT WE
ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR HANDLE ON THIS NEXT FEW YEARS?
>>I THINK WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE DO IT.
I THINK THERE IS OUT THERE MANY YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY’RE
GOING TO HELP US MAKE THE CASE TO THE OTHERS.
>>Daryl: DOCTOR, LAST 15 SECONDS, ARE YOU HOPEFUL?
>>VERY MUCH SO. I THINK PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO
UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE OUR CAMPAIGN FLAVORS
FOR KIDS. TRUTH THAT FLAVORS ARE THERE
TO HOOK OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.>>Daryl: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL OF YOU. MAHALO TO ALL OF YOU FOR
JOINING US TONIGHT. WE THANK OUR GUESTS.
AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS – SENATOR ROSALYN BAKER, CHAIR
OF THE COMMERCE, CONSUMER PROTECTION AND HEALTH
COMMITTEE. STEVE BORTLE CAMPBELL HIGH
SCHOOL TEACHER AND DR. BRYAN MIH,
PEDIATRICIAN IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AND DIRECTOR OF THE
SMOKE FREE FAMILIES PROGRAM AT KAPIOLANI MEDICAL CENTER.
NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, CLIMATE CHANGE, IS HAWAIʻI
PREPARED? PLEASE JOIN US THEN.
I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI – ALOHA!

6 Comments

  • GetReady4LiftOff

    explosion of lithium battery in pocket was girls biggest worry, not death or illness. Higher tax considered to deter youth.

  • GetReady4LiftOff

    1pod=1pack cig. 42% hi-sch, 27% jr-hi sch tried vaping. salt vaping is free basing nicotine. Kids like flavors & inhale much more. Big tobacco companies own vaping. vaps camouflaged in hoodies, pens. Much higher nicotine concentration in vaps & 4x likely to smoke cigs. Mental is key flavor for addiction. THC oil, CBD, vape have no regulations. Heavy metals in paint are vape ingredients. Same health problems as in cigs. Mall sales & internet easy.

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